“Depression is like a big dog. Sometimes you can change its size, but it’s always with you. Honestly, it’s a lot of work. Some days are easier than others,” explains Cecilie, who was 16 in 2011. She was at the summer camp on Utøya island, the target of the terrorist’s attack. Her best friend didn’t survive his savagery. Cecilia herself was shot three times. Episode 2 of the podcast series Surviving Utøya and Oslo is an intimate dual portrait of Cecilie and her mom Elin.