Ten years ago, he told developers to stop writing systems and instead program robots that would work for them. Theylaughed at him. Today, they are not laughing. And he himself admits he feels a strange combination of satisfaction and mild frustration that he could have pushed harder.

In this interview, Seyfor’s CSGO Martin Kudrna tackles topics that are rarely said out loud in IT discussions: that the cloud may not have been the destination, but an intermediate step. That the SaaS model starts to crumble when a customer calls in the afternoon and says they built the feature themselves and only need the integration enabled. That data is crucial, but only if a company knows how to work with it. Otherwise, it is just another layer on top of something that does not work. And that an orchestration layer can be built on top of existing systems to solve the problem without painful customer migrations.

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