Within series of 30th anniversary of PDCS we talk with Stefan Shutzler (Germany), good friend of ours with experience in social work with hooligans and homeless people. You will hear about why the pandemic affected so badly the homeless and the other weakest people in Germany, what has changed in the attitude towards the homeless. We also discuss hooligans and what it takes to tackle the problem of radicalistion of football fans. And in the end you hear the most beautiful compliment PDCS has received as a congrats to its 30th anniversary :)