A researcher who has entered many violent radical communities. She went undercover to their meetings, learned their ideology, made friendship and contacts. She got very close to understand what makes people to join grops that are full of hate, violence, extremism and conspiracy. She writes, lectures, speak about various aspects of radicalisation of men and women in Europe. At the same time, her expertise is shaped by empathy, will to understand and to see humans beyond the labels of radicals. A fascinating interview.